Hey, folks, Ben Shapiro here. Don't miss our latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage. Join me, Jeremy Boring, Andrew Claven, Michael Knowles, and Matt Walsh, as we discuss everything Afghanistan, ranging from the lack of a president of the United States at this point to the deaths of American service members, to what American foreign policy really should look like in the long term. Should it be moral? Should it be reality-based? Should it be about pull-outs? Should it be about maintaining true presence.

We get into all, look like in the long term, should it be moral? Should it be reality-based? Should it be about

pullouts? Should it be about maintaining true presence? We get into all those issues. It was really heated and really interesting. Make sure to take a listen. Some days, you can't even muster up a good fake laugh. Welcome to the Daily Wire backstage, the fall of the West. I'm Jeremy Boring. joined today, of course, by Michael Knowles, Matt Walsh,

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Guys, only a short time ago, the president of the United States came out and spoke about the horrific bombing,

which happened today in Kabul.

We don't know, of course, the exact death toll at the moment, but it seems like

already 13 American servicemen killed. And the president's speech, I thought, was one of the more

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