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Take a listen. Welcome to DailyWire backstage, brought to you by ExpressVPN. I am not Jeremy Boring. I am Michael Knowles. Jeremy was otherwise occupied this evening in all the amazing and multiplied projects that we're doing right now. I am joined tonight. I am joined by nobody. Nobody else has made it to the set. So it's me. And we, oh, hey,

all right. There we go. Joined by Ben Shapiro. Thanks, sir. How are you?

Is, good, good to see you. Yeah, so I asked someone else to be here tonight, actually. There's a conversation. I've been waiting for a long time to have with you, but every time I want to have this conversation. About like 2024 or? Yeah, no. I'm waiting for like almost 10 years. Oh. To be frank to have to have this conversation. But every time I start to have this conversation, Jeremy walks in and just kills it dead. Is he coming? Is he? No. No, he's not. Actually, I was going to have Chris from HR step in. I don't know if I know Chris. For a second. Does he have thoughts on, stopping by? He has thoughts on like Russia. Chris. Yeah, I appreciate it. Michael, great to see you. How you doing? Hey, yeah. So, yeah, it's mostly to prevent me from creating liability for the company that I asked Chris to be here. So, like, there are certain things I'm not allowed to say, like, that you should die in a car fire, apparently. Like, I was told by HR that I'm not allowed to say that. Yeah. But anyway, I felt like now was like a great opportunity for a job performance review.

Oh, good.

We should have been having these. Yeah. But anyway, I felt like now was like a great opportunity for a job performance review.

Oh, good. We should have been having these annually. Yeah, I agree. Totally. Again, Jeremy kept

stepping in and not allowing that to happen. So now we're going to do that actually because he's not here.

So let's, let's talk about like. So we're going to go all the way back to like 2015, 2016, right?

So when you started...

My bestselling blank book.

We'll get to that.

So, when you started at the company, you were originally hired with some job descriptions

and duties, including, for example, being in charge of social media.

Oh, yeah.

And you proceeded to never post anything on social media, but you did take a lot of audition calls in the office.

You didn't get any movie. And sometimes out of the office. That's right. You didn't get any movies out of them, by the way, but you were an unemployable person. So we apparently just kept paying you.

Yeah. But don't forget, there was a, there was a span of like three or four weeks when I didn't show up to the office. Because I was shooting. I was filming a project right before that election, remember? And never really saw the light of day, didn't. Yeah. What, did you didn't see the, you didn't watch a movie? Did it? Was there a movie? Did it? Yeah, not for Daily Wire. I didn't make any money for Daily Wire. Yeah, or ever.

Yeah, in any case. So, you know, at that point, we probably should have called HRM, but again, Jeremy kept stepping in, you know, and telling me I couldn't have this conversation, but he's not here tonight. So then you, then we decided for, I mean, Jeremy, decided to give you a podcast. I guess because I actually was looking up your credentials

before the show and you went to Yale,

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