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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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🗓️ 17 March 2021

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Is Britain as divided over COVID as we were over Brexit? Do people really think that if you lost your job during the pandemic, it’s your fault? And if Brexity pundits are so anti-lockdown, why are Leave voters largely in favour of restrictions? Bobby Duffy (Director of the Policy Institute at King’s College ) and Paula Surridge (Deputy Director of the UK in a Changing Europe) have researched our changing attitudes with surprising results. They tell Ros Taylor about the deep impulses driving politics – and whether Leave vs Remain identities might finally be breaking down. “Even though we’ve seen a transfer of wealth from young to old, we just don’t see people saying Let’s take from the old and give to the young” – Bobby Duffy “Leave/Remain is often seen as a generation gap but it’s more to do with education.” – Paula Surridge “There is an opportunity to reimagine our economy… but it won’t come easy.” – Bobby Duffy “Real lockdown scepticism is actually a rarity… It doesn’t bring people together across the political spectrum, it splits them up” – Bobby Duffy Presented by Ros Taylor. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers Jelena Sofronijevic and Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:14.3	about what we'd like people to be thinking about politics, Brexit, COVID, but what are
1:18.6	they really thinking? Are we as divided over lockdowns and vaccines as we were over Brexit?
1:24.0	And how have people's opinions changed as a result of the pandemic?
1:27.4	Indeed, have they changed at all?
1:30.1	Today I'm talking to Bobby Duffy and Paula Surridge.
1:33.0	Bobby is director of the Policy Institute at King's College London
1:37.0	and Paula is deputy director of the UK in a changing Europe,
1:41.0	a think tank based at Kings and a sociologist of the University of Bristol.
1:45.4	Both have carried out reams of research on public opinion around COVID and Brexit.
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