My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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John served as Deputy Political Secretary to the Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1997, working on labour market policy.

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The Dignity of Labor. Hello John, how are you? Hi, and thanks for having us.

Not at all. It's a pleasure. Your book, which I enjoy very much by the way, comes with a quote above the, on the cover from Kia Starmerarma calling it an ambitious and essential read.

Now, how much can we presume from that fact about how likely it might be to turn into

opposition policy?

I would not invest too much energy in that assumption.

I think it was, you know, these things is an MP, you write a book is a courtesy,

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