My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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how to argue with a racist. His latest book is called Control the Dark History and Troubling Present of Eugenics.

Adam Rutherford, thanks for joining me.

Nice to be historian.

So having argued with racists, is this, and you're now going to argue with Eugenicists? And you're now going to argue with eugenicists?

Well, the genesis aren't quite as overt in their exposure these days, I suppose. There is a sort of

current trend amongst what I describe as fringe science cos players to sort of try and

rejuvenate or redeem eugenics from its irredeemably toxic past.

You write in the book the idea that science and politics are independent is demonstrably and doggedly false.

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