Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Boxe Sexton Show Podcast.

Well, let me unconfuse you for a second, Phil.

Look, we are trying to do this by the book.

What's the question?

That's all we're asking about.

We're asking about it.

I'm telling you that there's a process.

I just laid out what the process is.

And I'm telling you that we were trying to do this by the book.

And it was an ongoing process.

Let me unconfuse you.

Karin Jean-Pierre says to a member of the press there.

And then proceeds to confuse, I think, a bit more.

And so far, she's not really dealing with the substance that he raises, which is you guys

meaning the White House knew more about this than you were telling the press.

And now to the point that we're getting to here, Clay and I have been talking about,

when it comes to, was this some kind of a plan or did they just step on, you know,

the step on a rake, step on a bear trap here?

Did they make a mess of themselves in the media?

The answer increasingly to me, Clay, looks like it's really just a cluster for them.

This is a mess and that the White House is in a bit of a spiral right now.

There are some pretty interesting theories out there.

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