My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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by Chris Clark, who is the author of a book anyone who is trying to understand what has gone on on the British left

I think ought to read called The Dark Night and the Puppet Master. It's an account

I think the best way to describe it, Chris, of distortions in left-wing thinking and how they work against ever getting a left-wing government of Britain. Would you agree with that? Yes absolutely thanks

for having me on it's the book is I guess it's a polemic criticising left-wing

populism as I call it and specifically criticizing some of the the

myths and narratives which I think prevent truly progressive politics from succeeding and

which often tend to dominate thinking on the left.

Before we go any further, I can imagine some of our listeners wringling their nose and her rump thing at the very notion of left-wing

populism exists because Jeremy Corbyn didn't look like Donald Trump or Victor Orbán. Why would you say what's happened in Britain is

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