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journalist writing for the Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Times, The Independent, the

Scotsman, Business A.m. the Financial Time, N. Reuters, N. the time interviewing business leaders. I once read in a Harvard business review that describing

leadership is similar to the challenge of describing a bowl. One can easily define it in terms of the clay from which it is made or the process

of its manufacture and its total size, but no true picture can emerge until one includes

the hollow, the negative space that defines the ball's capacity.

James Ashton's latest book, The Nine Types of Leader,

How the Leaders of Tomorrow can learn from the Leaders of Today,

attempts to do both, to describe both the clay leadership

is made of, but more importantly, the space it creates for an organization to flourish.

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