My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

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Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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