Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another weekend episode of the Daily Dad podcast. My friend Austin Cleon came by

the painted porch. We had lunch from Base Camp, the deli I love across the street. And we had an in-depth

conversation about how you balance being ambitious, being creative, being an artist, and being present for your kids.

And I've written before about Austin's concept of work, family

scene, how you have to pick two. I think that's a key part of what we talk about here at Daily

Dad. I also really like his thoughts on how your family should inform your work rather than take

you away from it and the importance of creating the right atmosphere, the right creative environment, the right

mood in your house, and of course how to lead by example and teach creativity to your kids.

This is a wonderful little interview we did, just riffing on the back porch, and I wanted

to share it with you because I think whatever you do, whether you're an artist or an entrepreneur,

an executive or a stay-at-home parent, I think there's some real value you're an artist or an entrepreneur, an executive,

or a stay-at-home parent, I think there's some real value in here. And thanks to Austin for coming by. I carry his books at the painted porch, show your work, keep going, steal like an artist. One of my favorite writers of creativity, period. You'll really like his stuff. And if you've got kids who are creative, you know, let's say 10 and above,

I think this work will be very well suited to them as well. So check it out. Thanks to Austin

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