I think a lot of people put too much of like an artificial separation between housework and market work.

And there's these weird kind of status issues where the person doing the market work gets a lot more respect

than the person doing the housework.

And I think that's probably not good.

But yeah, I think it's helpful to try to not have those kind of strong connotations to it.

And just you want in a partnership, you want both partners to be contributing roughly equal amounts,

but they can do that in different ways. And if you have one partner who's working very hard and bringing in more of the

income, it's just totally reasonable if the other partner would contribute more around the house.

Hello and welcome to Wise. It's happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

Well with Bob Lissner, so I'm going to take you behind the curtain today.

Right now, as I'm talking to you at 3, 10 pm, right before I could hop on this microphone, my son, David,

his eight years old came home. And I was in the midst of a editorial call, but I sort of finished that up.

He sat down, we talked a little bit about his day, talked to me how to do homework,

made him some popcorn for a snack. I was drinking a fresca. He asked for some. I gave it to him,

but just a little. And I'm sharing these banal details of my day because to me, these moments are

totally utterly transformational. They have completely changed my life, thanks to the pandemic. And

what I mean by that is I have three children, Ryan, who's 11, David, who's eight, on who's four,

about to be five. Before the pandemic, my schedule was such that I would get up in the morning with

the kids and me and Kate would get them out of the house to go to their various places, which if

you're a parent, you know, is incredibly, incredibly stressful. And not like I wouldn't really call

quality time. It's like a lot of like brush your teeth and put your shoes on. Wait, did you,

did you leave your jacket at school? Okay, like, you know, you're doing this kind of high

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