This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves.

This is the waves. Welcome to the waves, Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and untangling the snake linguine.

Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing we can't get off our minds,

and today you've got me,

Lily Luftborough, a staff writer for Slade. And me, Emily Peck, I'm a longtime business

journalist. I co-host slate money and this is key slate Slate Money's Weekly Succession Recap Podcast, and also the producers of the

waves, they usually call me when it's time to talk about rich white ladies.

So here I am.

All right, so this week we're talking about the men versus the women of succession.

The much-loved HBO drama about a Rupert Murdoch style patriarch

whose children are vying for control of the family company, even though he's not at all ready to let go.

Succession is kind of a broy show created by Jesse Armstrong whose former work includes Peep Show, the best and funniest show about modern

masculinity and TV history in my opinion.

Succession takes on masculine eco and narcissism with Brio. The dialogue is

terrific, the satire is sharp and the approach to abuses of power is unapologetic. So whenever one of the Roy

boys fails to be anything short of a dick in their treatment of an adversary or confesses

to a sentiment like love.

Their father Logan Roy calls them gay or women or both.

And so this puts the one female sibling, Chavan,

nicknamed Shiv in a weird position.

She has to be able to roll with the boys,

but she's not quite expected to operate like they do.

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