I knew Rob Porter in college, so he is officially not old.

Really good ping-pong player.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Matthew Glacias. We're here with Darra Lind, and great Andrew Procop joining us today.

We want to talk about Rob Porter, we want to talk about security clearances in the White House,

multi-layered onion of scandal that exists there, but we had some sort of immigration news that

happened yesterday. I mean, the news is that nothing happened.

Right.

But it was an important political standoff. I read on Twitter this morning from the President of

the United States that Democrats have really let the dreamers down. Republicans have been working

hard on DACA, and Democrats just, they didn't get it done. Would you say that's an accurate

characterization of events?

I mean, I think the hilarious thing here is like, okay, for one thing, obviously, of the four

votes that the Senate took on immigration yesterday, three of them were on bills that included

some kind of provision to legalize and actually allow to become citizens, people who are currently

protected under DACA, people who would be protected, the parameters of that shifted, but that kind of,

that's kind of in a side show. Democrats voted on mass for two of those bills, and two of those

bills had a majority of votes, but didn't hit the 60-village threshold.

So they both had about, well, let's be specific.

And so, and in both cases, that was a few Republicans joining with almost all the Democrats.

Right, right. There were a few Democratic defections from the right on the, the McCain

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