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Hello and welcome back to the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast. Today we have a special at the bus stop with my friend Caleb Campbell. I asked him how he wanted to be introduced and we really couldn't pick one thing that was more impactful or important in the plethora of things that he is doing. But he is an author of an incredible book called Disarming

Leviathan. Is it loving your Christian nationalist neighbor? Yep. Look at me with the tagline too.

Good job. He's also doing some really important work with pastors surrounding Christian nationalism

and really just trying to remind all of us about the image bearers that

we are and how to be in relationship with each other with that as a central point. So welcome

to the podcast, Caleb. I'm so grateful that you're joining us here today. Thank you so much for

having me. I appreciate the podcast and the work you both do. So thanks for

having me. I think it's always like a little bit. Everybody like tightens up when they hear

pastor when they're our audience. I get it. Yeah. I'm yes. Correct. Just so everybody knows,

Caleb is a friend who has I have grown in friendship with in real life.

I have connection to him outside of podcasting in the internet world.

And the first time I sat down with him, I think the first thing out of his mouth was like, let's get the elephant out of the room.

Or like, let's talk about the elephant in the room.

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