For many years now, Russ and Craig have had many wide-ranging conversations with folks from all over the gaming world.

This is one of those conversations.

D6G, the lost chapter.

Welcome back to Dunkin' Donuts.

Craig, this is the world's largest Dunkin' Donuts. This is clearly, clearly.

It stretches all the way from New Hampshire, all the way.

And you can see in the far seat on the other side of the room there, in central London is live from these 2012 Olympic Games.

I've always wanted to say that.

It's Norbert. Norbert, how are you, sir? I'm doing great, enjoying my crispy cream. Oh, sorry. Duncan Donut. Now, what is your favorite donut? What donut are you enjoying over there right now? I do like a good crispy cream, just a plain crispy cream. Now, in London, do they have the little sign come on and saying donuts are hot,

come in and get a fresh one? You know, I don't actually know where they make the darn things. I haven't seen it. I see the trucks delivered them everywhere. That makes me a little nervous. I'm not going to lie. That's not the same experience at all. That's not right all. It doesn't mean anything because in London, as you want to be such an old city,

there's alleyway on alleyways and sideways. Everything is tucked in everywhere and you could be walking right by there's something and not realize it until you like actually just make a certain turn one day and say, oh my God, this is right here in front of me all this time. Wow. It's crazy. So, all right,, all right. So we figured, well, Norbert, as, as those of you who've heard Norbert on the show before are familiar with his various antics when he was here in the States with the New Jersey SOBs, um, Norbert is obviously, you are a very dedicated miniature wargamer. Is that a fair statement? Yes. Indeed. and mostly, you know, you spend most your time in the War Machine Hordes, privateer press universe, but it doesn't mean you don't dabble or occasionally get lured away to the current fancy, right? I know. I liken it to having a mistress. You know, you really, really shouldn't be doing that. And it's nothing but trouble in the long run, but man is attempting.

But that's a good analogy.

So we thought it'd be kind of fun to talk a little bit about what keeps us, you know,

because miniature war gamers, we're sort of a strange breed, right?

You know, board gamers have a lot of different board games and they'll play different ones.

And, of course, you're some certain go-to board games.

You love to get out every once in a while. But you always try the, with miniature gamers, it's such a large element of hobby around it that we generally stand to stick to one, but then we'll always bounce around a little bit. And so that'd be kind of fun to talk about what keeps us with the same miniature war game for year after year. but at same time, though, what does a new miniature war game have to sort of have in it to kind of make us go, wait, what? Is that worth looking at? That'd be kind of fun. So, why don't we start off with, why don't we start with Craig? Craig? Okay, yes. So what keeps you excited in your current miniature war game? Like, let's say you've put your favorite game down for little while, try to me, but what brings you back to it? What keeps you excited in your current miniature war game? Let's say you've put your favorite game down for a little while,

try something, but what brings you back to it?

What keeps you going and in that same miniature war game day after day?

Well, I would say I'm the kind of guy that needs the whole, the total package, so to speak.

So I need models that really excite me, and I need story that that really excites me and I need rules that don't get in the way of my enjoyment. That's what I think I need. So in that order, I,

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