For many years now, Russ and Craig have had many wide-ranging conversations with folks from all over the gaming world.

This is one of those conversations.

D6G, the lost chapter.

So I'm in a bit of a quandary, rough.

Why are you quondy?

Well, I was trying to save the calories for a donut now that we're in Dunkin' Donuts, and instead I had frozen yogurt after dinner. Well, that's, why would you, frozen yogurt? I think I'm just going to get an, I think I'm just going to get an iced coffee. I tried. I've been trying to save up for donuts, and I just't. Are you under some misconception that iced coffee is less calories than a donut?

Mac.

Mac Martin. It's Mac Martin.

We haven't seen Mac.

And he's bringing his gaming design abilities to my caloric intake.

Yes, Mac, I had actually thought that as you spoke. I thought I was being foolish. I'll take ice coffee and a donut, please. Get a cul-ta. Get a frapicino. That's got no calories in it. You can just eat one of those. Yeah, sure. Coolada. Back. Just state you. Mac, let me buy you a coffee what kind what's your favorite donut

and coffee here at dunkin donuts what do you like you know i actually don't drink coffee but

i'll take a donut uh and i got to get a bag of coffee for my fiance anyway this is the

only coffee she'll drink really she's a well it's coffee person this one is this in 711 this is 711

only thing she'll drink really interesting that is see I think most coffee connoisseurs would probably not pick those brands, which is, I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm just saying it's unusual, right? They are the Hershey's of coffee, and I mean that in the best way. The reason Hershey is so popular is that it's so consistent.

Yes. It didn't used to be that chocolate was produced so consistently. Yep. You're right. Very good. Well, Mack, you know, we've been to all of our friends and ourselves. We've been all talking about, you know, we're all, and I know you, last time you were on the show, we talked about this, you're an old school 40K guy, you know, from way back, as are we? And so now eighth edition is coming out. And Craig and I've been talking about it and like, is this going to be the thing that brings us back? Now, have you, Mac, have you been religiously playing 40K forever? Did you take a break? I seem to remember you took a break from it for a bit. I didn't take a break by choice.

Okay. So much as I realized if I kept playing, I'd never play again.

Why is that? Were you in a dark place? Like a, what I did there? Were you a, were you a

grim dark? Yeah, I was in a very dark millennium. Yeah. It was, yeah, the seventh edition did not do what I wanted

miniatures games to do. What were the fundamental, not to get too deep into that, but I think

it'll help us to understand what they've changed in eighth, and if that's going to bring people

like us back. Where did seventh go from a very high level?

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