For many years now, Russ and Craig have had many wide-ranging conversations with folks from all over the gaming world.

This is one of those conversations.

D6G,

the lost chapter.

Hey, Craig, so what is your current favorite donut?

I know you mentioned you tried the caramel pretzel. Well, yeah followed your lead and I went and had the pretzel. And I think I learned that unless you get it early in the morning, the pretzel is going to be soggy and it's going to be a waste of your money and calories. So I wouldn't recommend it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I got so, I, I, I've heard you talk about it for three episodes now.

And I was driving by and I thought, you know what?

I'm going to get that donut.

And I stopped in the middle of the afternoon on my way to a game store.

And, uh, it was, it was a terrible experience, Ross.

It was a terrible experience.

I cursed your name. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Let me buy you a coffee real quick. Craig, is that Ronnie for Mantic Games over there on the corner? Ronnie. Certainly is. What are you doing here at Dunkin' Donuts? Eating donuts and drinking coffee? What do you think? Well, well chosen. What is your favorite donuts and coffee, sir, sir, here, Duncan Donuts? What do you like? Let me just take, coming from the UK, until recently, and by recently, I mean, the last five years, it was nigh on impossible to buy a donut with the hole in the middle in our country. What is the wrong with your people? Yeah. What's been the issue? I once went out with a romantic and I thought, I'm going to take donuts in for everybody. It's not that hard, but I want the glazed ones with the hole in the middle. Of course you do. I don't want any of these ones filled with jam and custard. That's right. You're a rational human. I understand this. Correct. And I couldn't get him and I came back in a filthy mood saying, well, God, God, you can't even get him.

God,

God, rational human. I understand this. Correct. And I couldn't get him. And I came back in a filthy mood saying,

well, I can't you can't even get a goddamn donut with a hole in the middle of it. So, you know, now I'm over here when I see donuts with holes in the middle, with all manner of stuff, smooth clear the top of them. We shove them down. That's exactly right. Take it when you can.

Do you think this is a...

Take them when you can.

Is this a royal decree, Manny?

Does the queen not care for don't... we shove them down. That's exactly right. Take them when you can.

Do you think this is a... Is this a royal decree, Mani? Does the Queen not care for donuts with holes in them? Is that a thing? You think? It's just shocking. Who can say? They've been it full of... Well, Manor of shopping. Well, Mani, while you're here, I've been noticing something. I think, you know, Mantic Games, you guys are known for, and those who don't know, Manny, Manny, I want to keep calling you, it's Ronnie. I don't know, but it's starting to get embarrassed. It is embarrassing. So, Ronnie, and I think what's happening here, Ronnie, is I'm conflating the fact that I know you're the man behind Mantic games. So in my head, it's like Mantic plus Rony's Manny. See, that's what's happening in my head, which is inappropriate. I apologize. I may rename both from now on. Oh, fair. Okay. So, but, it's going to be entirely sympathetic. You've had. I expect the website to be updated tomorrow. You've had wonderful. Our website's a nail.

So you've had wonderful success with your own intellectual property, right?

With your own ideas and your own fantasy world and your own sci-fi worlds and your own cool dreadball game and everything.

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