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loves. Brought to you by Pepsi Max thirsty for more. Hello everyone and welcome to a special edition of the Spanish football podcast I'm Phil Kich from Elides and I'm not joined

by Sid Lowe as usual. He's normally here but he's not today instead. I'm joined by someone

who's got a far better grasp of basic arithmetic than Sid does,

although that's not too difficult.

Ben Harburg, the co-owner of Cadif is with us.

Hello Ben. Hello Phil. Thanks very much for speaking to us.

Thanks for having me. We're here outside on the terrace of a hotel in Central Madrid so

if you can hear some background noise it's because we're on the

terrace of a hotel in Central Madrid. We've tried to find the quietest

corner. To have this chat with Ben, it's been something we've been trying to do

for a while and it's good that we finally managed to do it

The day before Cardiff play at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeo against Rome Madrid Ben. It's a big one

It's a big one. It's a big one for Cardiff is perhaps more than

Madrid because Cardiff are battling against relegation.

We'll get into the details of that game

and Cardiff season in just a moment moment but I want to give the

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