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Welcome to Ika Dapen here, a podcast about things falling apart and putting it back together again.

I'm Mia Wong. I'm with Garrison.

And it is my singular honor and pleasure to introduce our guest, Dr. Julia Serrano.

She is the author of many books, including excluded, making feminist and queer movements more inclusive, sexed up, how society sexualizes us and how we can fight back, outspoken a decade of transgender activism and trans feminism, and most famously whipping girl, a new edition of which is coming out in March. Dr. Serrano, welcome to the show.

Hi, thanks for having me.

I'm really, really, I, really happy you can join us.

So, okay, Whipping Girl, I think, is really one of the, one of quietly the most influential

books of the 21st century to the extent that in kind of classic trans woman fashion, I don't think

people realize that the ideas that it introduced have an origin. So for people who haven't

read the book, and you should, this book is great, I guarantee you have seen its influence.

If you've ever heard someone who's not trans referred to as cis like that's that's from this book the concept

of misgendering is also from this book the word trans misogyny like also from this book and this

i think gets at something from the the 2015 second edition preface that you wrote, which is something I've been wondering

about is, what does it like to sort of experience writing a book and have it just like ripple

across society like this?

Yeah, it's, I was very much hoping, and, you know, as I was writing it, I was hoping that

I thought that it would

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