CZM Rewind: The Truth About Software Development with Carl Brown
Better Offline
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4.6 • 687 Ratings
🗓️ 26 November 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Ed Zitron is joined by Carl Brown, a veteran software developer and host of The Internet of Bugs, to talk about the realities of software development, what coding LLMs can actually do, and how the media gets it wrong about software engineering at large.
Original Air Date: 6.4.25
https://www.youtube.com/@InternetOfBugs
New GitHub Copilot Research Finds 'Downward Pressure on Code Quality' - https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2024/01/25/copilot-research.aspx
Report: AI coding assistants aren’t a panacea - https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/report-ai-coding-assistants-arent-a-panacea/
Internet of Bugs Videos to watch:
Debunking Devin: "First AI Software Engineer" Upwork lie exposed!
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AI Has Us Between a Rock and a Hard Place
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Software Engineers REAL problem with "AI" and Jobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQmN6xSorus&list=PLv0sYKRNTN6QhoxJdyTZTV6NauoZlDp99
AGILE & Scrum Failures stuck us with "AI" hype like Devin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1Rxa9DMfI&t=1s
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed human. |
| 0:06.7 | Quarzone Media. |
| 0:10.3 | Hello and welcome to Better Offline. |
| 0:12.3 | I'm your host, Ed Zetron. |
| 0:32.4 | Better offline. I'm a by Carl Brown, a veteran software engineer and host of the excellent YouTube channel Internet of Bugs. Carl, thank you for joining me. |
| 0:37.6 | Thanks for having me. So I'm going to start with an easy one. What is the software developer? |
| 0:38.8 | What actually is that? |
| 0:47.4 | So basically what we do is we take ideas about problems that people want to solve generally, |
| 0:58.9 | and we write software, we write code that tells computers instructions how to make the computer do |
| 1:03.3 | the thing that needs to do to solve the problem the person asked us to solve. Right. |
| 1:05.2 | Gaming programming is a little bit different, but that's most software development is basically that. |
| 1:14.6 | And this is another quite silly question, but necessary. |
| 1:16.7 | How much of that is actually writing code? |
| 1:23.6 | It depends on how good you, the people that are asking for stuff is. |
| 1:29.4 | As a general rule, I would say maybe between 10% and 25%. Okay. Just really want to be 10 to 20, even if we say 30% of the job, which is more than |
| 1:34.4 | you said, that means the majority of this job is not actually writing code. Right. Now, |
| 1:40.0 | that's largely for folks that are farther up the chain, right? |
| 1:44.6 | So if you're fresh out of school and you don't really, you're not in the job, |
| 1:48.6 | you don't understand how to manage requirements or any of that kind of stuff yet. |
| 1:52.2 | Someone's going to basically hand you a thing to do. |
| 1:54.8 | And in that kind of case, you're going to be spending a lot more time writing code than that. |
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