CZM Rewind: Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron on Enshittification and the Rot Economy
Better Offline
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4.6 • 688 Ratings
🗓️ 6 May 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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This week’s Better Offline is a recording of a panel held by Clarion West in Seattle earlier this year with Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron, discussing enshittification, The Rot Economy, and the destruction of modern tech platforms, moderated by Whitney Beltrán.
Original Air Date: 11.12.25
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed human. |
| 0:06.6 | Call zone media. |
| 0:09.8 | Hello and welcome to this week's Better Offline. |
| 0:12.4 | I'm your host at Zittron. |
| 0:38.9 | Better Offline. Yeah. So this week is going to be a recording of a panel held in Seattle at the Seattle Public Library with my good man, Corrie Docterow, and we were discussing in shitification, the rot economy, and the destruction of modern tech platforms. We were moderated by the wonderful Whitney Beltran and big up to Clarion West, a wonderful group out there, |
| 0:42.1 | non-profit you should definitely support. |
| 0:44.1 | Everything in the episode notes. |
| 0:45.6 | Have fun with this. |
| 0:46.5 | I certainly did. |
| 0:53.2 | Well, welcome everybody. |
| 0:54.7 | Again, thank you for hucking it out on this Wednesday night. |
| 0:58.4 | We're really excited to have you all. |
| 1:00.0 | The energy in the room is great. |
| 1:02.4 | We're all here to talk about what is happening to us |
| 1:06.5 | and seems to be spinning wildly out of our control |
| 1:10.2 | and what it is and how it's going to affect us and what we can possibly do about it. |
| 1:20.0 | Future facing. |
| 1:22.4 | I have two really, really illustrious guests with me tonight, Corey and Ed. |
| 1:28.3 | I did my research beforehand and watched all of their other interviews with other people. |
| 1:32.3 | I'm not going to do as good of a job. |
| 1:34.3 | So I'm really counting on them to shine. |
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