CZ, welcome to the All In Podcast.

Thanks for having me here.

It's really, really great to see you. It's a pleasure. I want to go all the way back to the beginning because I think a lot of people don't really know your background the way that they probably should. The part of the background that I really care about is there's parts of your early journey in Canada, which is very similar to mine. You worked at McDonald's. I worked at Burger King. But before that, your parents were able to emigrate from China right around Tiananmen Square, right?

My father went to Canada to study in 1984. That's five years before Tiananmen Square.

How did that come about? So your father stayed in Canada once he went there or no?

He could visit us every twice a year, basically, but most of the time he was in Canada.

And he was a teacher in China? He was a teacher professor. He was a professor in China.

And then he went to do an exchange program in University of Toronto first. And then a couple years later, he moved to UBC, University of British Columbia in Vancouver.

And then he was there.

We were applying.

Back then, it's actually very difficult to get a passport.

You take like three or four years to get a passport.

We started applying in 1985-ish.

It took like two, three years to get a passport.

And then after you get a pass-

Meaning a Chinese passport?

A Chinese password, yeah.

So, and then it takes like another few years to get a visa.

Like, that's just how long the process takes back then.

And then, yeah, so we got it shortly after in 18, 1989.

When you look back, it almost seems fortuitous.

Isn't there a version where post-Tianamen, they kind of just shut everything down and say,

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