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CyberWire Pro Interview Selects: Sir David Omand.

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🗓️ 30 December 2021

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

During our winter break, our team thought you might like to try a sample of a CyberWire Pro podcast called Interview Selects. These podcasts are a series of extended interviews, exclusives, and a curated selection of our most engaging and informative interviews over the years, featuring cyber security professionals, journalists, authors and industry insiders. On this episode, the interview originally aired as a shortened version on the CyberWire Daily Podcast. In this extended interview, Dave Bittner speaks with Sir David Omand, former GCHQ Director, on his book, How Spies Think: Ten Lessons in Intelligence.. Like what you hear? Consider subscribing to CyberWire Pro for $99/year. Learn more.

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Sir David Omond is visiting professor at King's College London and former director of G.C.Q.

0:15.0

The UK Government's Intelligence and Security Organization.

0:18.5

He's author of the recently published book How Spies Think,

0:22.0

Ten Lessons in Intelligence.

0:24.6

Sir David Omond, thank you for joining us.

0:27.0

It's a pleasure.

0:28.0

Well, let's begin with the book here.

0:31.4

What prompted you to write the book? How spies think?

0:35.0

I started writing this book after seeing how, first of all, the British Brexit referendum

0:41.0

and then the 2016 US presidential election were being reflected in social media.

0:48.0

And I was getting increasingly cross at the way that I saw this rising tide of half truths and distortions trying to persuade

0:57.6

us online of what we ought to think and want, not to mention some outright falsehoods and deceptions, and not just coming from Russia

1:08.1

aimed at widening divisions in society and increasingly setting us at each other's throats.

1:14.0

Well, the book sets up a framework that you all used in British intelligence that you maintain is useful for all of us as we try to deal with this

1:27.4

Misinformation quite often can you take us through I mean how does someone trained the way that you were approach this sort of information?

1:36.9

I've coined an acronym C's SEES for the four kinds of output that rational analysis can give a decision maker.

1:50.0

And the first essence in C's is situational awareness, facts on the ground,

1:56.0

what is going on, when and where, those sort of questions.

2:01.0

That's an essential first step. And of course you can't always trust what you see.

2:07.0

We have to guard against deception. We have to take into account that some of the information we have is bound to be wrong

2:16.4

or it's fragmentary or it's incomplete but that's the starting point but facts on

2:21.7

their own tell you nothing. It's only when you explain them, when you put them in a context that they actually have meaning for us.

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