Cybersecurity Futures
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 7 December 2019
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Wargaming has long been a staple of military strategizing, but how do we plan for the future in cyberspace, a realm where governments do not hold a monopoly on capabilities? A new report from the Atlantic Council argues that "visualizing and describing the evolution of cyber capabilities and strategic competition require envisioning multiple futures," and the report sets out to do exactly that. This week, Lawfare's Susan Hennessey sat down with John Watts, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's Skowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, and JD Work, the Bren Chair for Cyber Conflict and Security at the Marine Corps University, who are authors of "Alternate Cybersecurity Futures," along with Nina Kollars, Ben Jensen, and Chris Whyte. They talked about the behind-the-scenes of strategic policy planning, the value of creativity, and what scenarios emerge when you ask cybersecurity experts to predict the future.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.9 | If you're a 12 or 13 year old who's grown up in a culture and environment where that's |
| 0:38.5 | an acceptable thing to you state violence, to disrupt a competitor for what is a fairly |
| 0:44.4 | petty, insignificant outcome, if you're comfortable leveraging state capabilities, violent |
| 0:51.1 | force to achieve a relative mind end. |
| 0:54.4 | What happens when they get to 20 or 30 and they either, you know, wherever, whether they're |
| 0:58.7 | in government, whether they are, you know, they follow life of crime, whether they just, |
| 1:02.7 | you know, really dislike their sports team from across the way and want to disrupt them |
| 1:06.4 | in some ways. |
| 1:07.4 | What happens when those cyber skills become democratized and dispersed in the general |
| 1:11.3 | population and people see this as a, as a perfectly acceptable normal approach? |
| 1:16.3 | What does that mean? |
| 1:17.3 | That's the social change. |
| 1:18.3 | You don't need to do with the technology per se, but that's going to have a really |
| 1:21.3 | big impact on the cyber environment and particularly that kind of persistent conflict |
| 1:24.7 | in the future. |
| 1:25.7 | I am Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast December 7th, 2019. |
| 1:33.9 | Wargaming has long been a staple of military strategizing, but how do we plan for the future |
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