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no bull and the aftermath.

In the being prepared inside the United States, we are not at all playing down the

capabilities of the Russians, right? We have, as others have described earlier, the

shields up activities where we are aggressively working through all elements of

the US government to work with the private sector, to share intelligence, to bring

everybody's defenses up because it is really important that we are prepared for in our country,

the possibility, the possibility of Russian attacks on our territory or with our NATO

islands, we're also working with them.

That is a different question than what is happening in Ukraine, which again, we are trying

to avoid a direct conflict between the United States and Russia for as bad as that would

be for the entire world, right?

I'm Benjamin Wittes and this is the LawFair podcast.

We are coming to you from Verify 2022 put on by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation

Cybersecurity Initiative and Aspen Digital in Sosolito, California.

And I am here with a truly remarkable panel.

Corey Shaki of the American Enterprise Institute, Megan Steffel of the Institute for Security

and Technology and Mika Oyang, well known to listeners of the LawFair podcast, currently

the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Defense.

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