Cybersecurity and AI
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 3 April 2023
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
Hosted by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation Cyber Initiative and Aspen Digital, Verify 2023 brings together journalists and cyber and tech policy experts to discuss critical issues in cybersecurity. For this live recording of the Lawfare Podcast, Benjamin Wittes sat down at Verify 2023 with Alex Stamos of the Stanford Internet Observatory; Nicole Perlroth, formerly of the New York Times and the author of a recent book on zero days; and Dave Willner, the Head of Trust & Safety at OpenAI, the company that produces ChatGPT. They talked about cybersecurity and AI, the threats to AI algorithms, the threats from AI algorithms, and the threats from humans misusing large language models.
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.0 | You know, if you're the Russians or the Saudis or Iran, |
| 0:37.0 | what you have to do is you have to fill a building full of people |
| 0:41.0 | who can credibly write in a language and understand the politics |
| 0:45.0 | enough to sound like they're from there. |
| 0:47.0 | So the GRU famously had this big campaign mostly around Syria |
| 0:51.0 | and the White Helmets where they created all these fake journalists, |
| 0:55.0 | who published pieces in mostly lefty magazines, |
| 0:58.0 | American intervention was imperialist, and the White Helmets were, you know, the bad guys |
| 1:02.0 | and all this kind of stuff. And that was a huge operation. |
| 1:04.0 | And now one dude could run that with an ML system. |
| 1:10.0 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast April 3rd, 2023. |
| 1:16.0 | Thursday evening at Verify 2023, |
| 1:20.0 | a cybersecurity conference hosted by the Hewlett Foundation |
| 1:24.0 | and Aspen Digital. We recorded a live edition of the LawFair podcast. |
| 1:30.0 | The subject was cybersecurity and AI, the threats to AI algorithms, |
| 1:36.0 | the threats from AI algorithms, the threats from humans, |
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