This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing well. You are busy. That's what the crowd is saying, is you're busy. I don't know who the crowd is, but that's what they say. Oh, you know, I've, I have just been buried. You know, of course, recording the two podcasts. And, you know, I'm actually doing a lot of training for law enforcement, and I have, you know, the authrum casework.

But I'm also doing an audible project, which is an active investigation.

And a few weeks ago, I just returned back from the Bay Area and have some new information about the case.

And actually, it's multiple cases, multiple

homicides. It's one of my old cases. And it's a lot. You know, I'm trying to get this thing

wrapped up. Yeah. So, you know, be ready for the listeners at some point when Audible decides to

release it. But, you know, actual casework doesn't necessarily

line up with production schedules. I know. I've noticed. I know that you have been doing just a ton of

stuff, which is always great. It's an embarrassment of riches. So I'm always, and especially because

you've got your foot in everything, and the active investigations

is what helps us the most. Being totally selfish, Paul, that's what I care about is what actually

helps the listeners in me. Well, you know, I appreciate that thought. I, you know, of course,

I'm doing what I used to do before I retired in similar capacity, not identical,

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