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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal: What Is Energy, Actually?

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Curt Jaimungal challenges the conventional notion of energy, arguing it's not even a well-defined concept. He builds on Veritasium’s critique and explores the philosophical and scientific implications of redefining energy.SPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE- YouTube Membership: early access videos - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Coinbase: https://commerce.coinbase.com/checkout/de803625-87d3-4300-ab6d-85d4258834a9- PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4RESOURCES:- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Think you know what energy is? You probably don't, and that's okay. Einstein likely didn't know either,

0:06.8

at least not in the context of his own masterpiece, general relativity. By the way, this whole

0:11.8

analysis is heavily inspired by the 2022 work of Sinha Ayoki, hopefully I'm pronouncing that correctly,

0:17.1

refer to the archive preprint in the description for more detail.

0:24.5

Forget the pops-size sound bites that you hear from people like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

0:34.2

Energy is not simply mass in motion, or mass because E equals MC squared, or the capacity to change,

0:38.6

or even the neatly conserved currency of our universe, whatever that means.

0:44.3

These definitions, to the degree they're even definitions, don't hold up in dynamically curved space-time. Most likely, your GR instructor glossed over energy, perhaps mumbled something

0:50.4

about pseudotenters under their breath, then quickly changed the subject. So why the

0:55.2

rush? Why the evasion on such a supposedly fundamental concept? Physics professors skip the

1:00.7

energy talk like dad skipped the sex talk, awkward mumbling and then hoping you never ask again.

1:05.9

The full honest treatment is extremely messy, it's deeply controversial and fundamentally unresolved,

1:11.9

even after a century. Einstein himself wrestled with it, and the compromises he made are still

1:17.2

being debated today. So let's talk about that mess. The heart of the problem is that general

1:24.0

relativity has two foundational pillars. There's general covariance, which is another way of

1:29.4

saying that physical laws don't depend on coordinate choices. And then there's the principle of equivalence,

1:34.8

which is that gravity is the same as local acceleration. In flat space time, energy momentum

1:41.2

conservation is actually quite neat. It's written here, where this T is just the

1:46.5

stress energy tensor of matter. Now, in GR, it looks similar. However, that little upside

1:53.0

triangle is what's called the covariant derivative, and that requires some extra machinery,

1:58.5

something called a connection to employ. In coordinates, expanding this

2:02.4

formula out gets you extra terms, like as follows here. Energy seems to leak into or out of the

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