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Culture Gabfest: Lily Allen’s Revenge Tour Edition

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Arts, Tv & Film, Music

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s show, Steve, Dana, and Julia pull up proverbially barstools at Sardi’s to discuss Richard Linklater’s latest film Blue Moon, which is about one night in the life of Broadway lyricist Lorenz Hart. As played by a transformed Ethan Hawke, Hart is witty, needy, and totally captivating. Next, they travel Down Cemetery Road by way of a conversation about the new conspiracy series starring Emma Thompson and Ruth Wilson based on a novel by Mick Heron of Slow Horses fame. Finally, they turn to a piece of real estate that may forever live in infamy as “The Pussy Palace” thanks to Lily Allen’s brutally honest and stunningly well-crafted album West End Girl. On an exclusive bonus episode for Slate Plus subscribers, the hosts take up the issue of biographical pictures—aka biopics— and Slate’s recent package Portrait Mode about the ubiquitous film genre.    Endorsements: Dana: Lily Allen’s song “The Fear”— to listen to and perform at karaoke. Julia: A boule of chocolate sourdough bread from the bakery of Milo & Olive in Los Angeles.  Steve:  Roberto Bolaño's novella By Night in Chile and Ella Fitzgerald singing “Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered” on the album Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Rodgers & Hart Song Book.   Email us your thoughts at [email protected].  Podcast production by Benjamin Frisch. Production assistance by Daniel Hirsch. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Stephen McAfin. This is the Slate Culture Gapfest, Lily Allen's Revenge Tour edition. It's Wednesday, November 5th, 2025. On today's show, Blue Moon is the latest feature film from the director Richard

0:22.8

Linklater. It stars Ethan Hawke as Lauren's Heart, the famed lyricist who with Richard Rogers

0:28.8

wrote such classics of the American songbook as My Funny Valentine, The Lady is a Tramp,

0:33.7

and yes, the titular Blue Moon. The movie depicts the night, his career, and effectively

0:38.1

his life came to an end. It also stars Margaret Qualley and Bobby Connovali. And then Down Cemetery

0:44.6

Road is on Apple TV. It's based on an early book by the novelist Mick Heron. He's the author

0:49.4

who brought us the gang over in Sloughhouse. This one stars Emma Thompson as a private investigator. Her name is

0:55.6

Zoe Baum, and Ruth Wilson as Sarah, an art restorer living in Oxford, who believes she's

1:00.7

happened upon a sinister conspiracy. And finally, we discussed Lily Allen's new album, West End Girl,

1:05.9

a collection of songs that adds up to and at times shockingly unfiltered account of the breakup

1:10.7

of her marriage to the actor David Harbour. But first joining me today is Julia Turner from Los Angeles. She is a fellow at the Annanburg Center for Journalism at the University of Southern California. Hey, Julia. Hello, hello. And of course, Dana Stevens, who's the film critic for Slate. Hey, Dana. Hello. Let's discuss. I think we've

1:28.5

got some juice here. Let's see what we can do with it. Over the course of what now has to be

1:33.7

reckoned an extraordinary career, Richard Linkletter has been the master of the long. What would you

1:38.0

call it? Khan is not the right word, but sort of the opposite of Khan. It just keeps giving us

1:42.9

unexpected bounties that we're germinating

1:46.1

in the dark somewhere before being released into theaters or streaming platforms. Anyway,

1:50.7

whatever the right word is, he turned, for example, what felt at the time like a one-off curio

1:56.4

of a rom-con before sunrise into a seven-up style trilogy about identity, aging, and loss,

2:02.3

spent a handful of days, of off days over the years, over a decade, really, filming boyhood.

2:08.1

Now with Blue Moon, he kind of reverses it. He ratchets, I mean, it did take 10 years to come to the

2:13.9

screen because they were waiting for Ethan Hawk, I guess, to be old enough to play Lauren's heart.

2:18.6

But in another sense, he's ratcheted everything down to observe a very strict unity of time

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