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Hi, Chris Fowlton here. Welcome to Cultural Calus, where we help you to learn how to live fully live,

co-labor with God and change the world. And today I have Chris Cruz. Hello, Chris Cruz. Glad to be here.

That is your Christopher. That is your name. Christopher Cruz, right? Only heard it when my mom was in New York.

Yeah, when my mom was in that. Christopher Joseph Cruz. My mom would call me Christopher John,

but my name is not Christopher. My middle name is not John. I don't know why she didn't just name me Christopher John.

Christopher John, you like it so much. You know what I'm saying? That's awesome. But, sorry. Chris Defer,

you are one of our associate pastors. You're kind of our senior associate pastor now and over the church and you're working with him.

You oversee tribe. I got an adult. I wouldn't call that working when you're worth the end, but anyway.

You describe it like that. That's awesome. You give me a good podcast. I can tell already.

You're a good podcast. You graduated from BSSM. So you came here for BSSM, right? How many years ago was that?

It's almost 15 years. Came in 2007. Wow. Long time. So I've been listening to you talk for a long time.

Long time. That's why you were asleep in the college. Yeah, exactly. I was asleep on the couch before this.

Because I'm ready to practicing dreams and visions. Exactly. I taught you in school. 100%.

And then you now you don't want to tell me how to hear God. Yeah, that's like I mean, I heard him before, but I didn't know how to hear him after that.

That's it. Came to school and learned it from you. And you are married. Yeah. Did you find your woman in school? Yeah. First year.

Yeah. Thank you. I haven't seen you in touch. Hopefully your marriage is going well. Yeah, it's been my wife in first year.

Yeah. Canadian. This is back back in the day. Yeah. And you have two kids. Yeah. Solomon, who's five, about turn six. And my daughter per oh three.

Man, that's a full. That's a full house. That's fun. That energy challenge. Chris, you know, you, when I think of you, I think of a lot of different things as far as the Lord goes, but you have a real strong passion, especially for discipleship.

Yeah. It's kind of kind of ooze through most of your messages. Yeah. And I would imagine that that's because it's really had a big impact on you. Yeah.

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