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Cuba Pt. 4: Counterrevolution w/ Renzo Llorente

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.9 • 2.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2026

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, part 4 of our ongoing series on Cuba, we're joined by Renzo Llorente for a conversation exploring the counterrevolution to Cuba's 1959 revolution and the various forms it took. Renzo Llorente is associate professor of philosophy at Saint Louis University-Madrid and the author of the books, The Political Theory of Che Guevara and The Political Thought of Fidel Castro. 

The conversation begins with a look at the current assault on Cuba from the Trump administration and situates it within the context of a long counterrevolution which has been by and large a bipartisan project since the revolution's inception. We then discuss why counterrevolution occurs in socialist societies and the toll that it takes on the revolutionary ambitions of societies attempting to lay the foundations for socialism. We look at examples of sabotage—from assassination attempts to economic disruption, examples of outright military excursions like the Bay of Pigs invasion, and more. 

We then look at how Cuba has been forced to respond to these perpetual attempts at counterrevolution often fueled and resourced by the imperialist powers, and why the degree of repression seen in Cuba can be understood as a direct and dialectical response to the United States' never ending quest to return Cuba to what it was before 1959. Specifically, we examine the concept of political prisoners and explore ways in which we can view political prisoners in Cuba as counterrevolutionaries. We examine multi-party versus one-party systems and discuss their potential for representation and democracy. And we explore the concept of a free press and how this is weaponized by the imperialist powers in not just Cuba, but in all states where imperialism is seeking a foothold. Finally, we discuss how counterrevolution has served to strengthen Cuba's resolve and determination to continue their long-fought battle for sovereignty. 

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Intermission music: "Celos eternos" by Roberto Carcasses

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0:00.0

After a revolution, there's always resistance and there's always opposition.

0:25.1

This has been the case with every revolution, the Russian revolution and the Chinese revolution,

0:30.0

and after the Cuban revolution.

0:32.2

And often their opposition takes very, very violent forms.

0:35.6

There was sabotage, there were incursions, there were attempts

0:40.3

at economic destabilization, there was an insurgency. And it was a very, as I said, violent

0:45.6

kind of revolution. I think it was dangerous above all because it had so much support, ideological

0:50.3

support, financial support, logistical support from the United States, from the most

0:56.0

powerful country in the world. That was a problem in part because it meant that Cuba had had to

1:01.5

and has to divert an immense quantity of resources just to combating people who's in its overthrow

1:09.9

the government and basically to return Cuban society

1:13.6

to what it was before 1959.

1:15.6

You're listening to Upstream.

1:17.7

Upstream.

1:18.8

Upstream.

1:19.7

Upstream.

1:20.7

A show about political economy and society that invites you to unlearn everything

1:25.7

you thought you knew about the world around you.

1:29.1

I'm Robert Raymond.

1:30.2

And I'm Della Duncan.

1:32.0

The imperialists may put a man on the moon, but they'll never put a man in Havana.

1:38.2

These are the words written atop a 1971 Cuban propaganda poster commemorating the 10th anniversary of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

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