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I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa.

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Ladies, first of all, you'll have to excuse my sick voice if you've been following along

with my other podcast, the same page, then you've probably noticed that our literary episodes

have gone away because I haven't had a voice to be able to record them. So in the next

week or two, we'll be back with Peter Pan starting a brand new book. I'm really glad we were

able to get through the Wizard of Oz before I came down with this horrible case of laryngitis.

But nonetheless, here I am at least getting this podcast out to you guys because we don't want to miss

a week of cultivating the lovely, right? We got to keep cultivating the lovely even when we have no voice.

And this week is a very special treat because I got to interview Shannon Martin. You guys,

it was such a delight to talk to her. Our conversation went so deep, so quickly. There were so many points in her brand new book

that I felt like we didn't even get to touch on. I hope to be able to have her back on the show again at

some point so that we can dive even more into so many of these topics, but a community and really

pressing into where you're at, I feel like as a topic that's coming up with a lot of books

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