I have three kids who don't fit molds. Yeah. And systems and society and narratives that have been

whispered in my ears my entire life. Yeah. It's so hard to let go of that and to uproot all those.

Welcome to Cultivating the Lovely. I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa. You can find out more about the podcast at cultivating thelovely.com, in our Yellowbrick Road membership community at patreon.com slash cultivating the lovely, and in our Facebook group. I would also love to connect with you on Instagram where you can find me at McKenzie Kappa. That's M-A-K-E-N-Z-I-E-K-O-P-P-A.

Ladies, the tone of today's show is a little bit different than normal. We are dealing with some

weighty topics and things that I think we really need to be giving some thought to, especially

in regards to our motherhood and how we're raising our kids and how we're even interacting with

the world. On today's show, I have Heather Avis, and we are talking about her new book, Scoot Over and

Make Some Room. Heather is an adoptive mom of two children who have Down syndrome and one who is

ethnically diverse. And so we talk a lot today about disabilities, how people can address them

who are not dealing with them and interact with moms of children who have disabilities or are ethnically diverse.

And also I think there's some great information in this show for moms who have children who

have disabilities. But I also think it's an important episode because we talk about things

that tie all moms together, no matter what your life looks like, how we all are in need of community and a tribe and people

who understand where we're coming from. And I think that this episode was able to bridge the gap a

little bit in the differences between all of our different types of motherhood, which I think

is really exciting and interesting and important. So I hope you really enjoy this episode that I have with Heather

and you're able to glean something really valuable from it. But before we get to that episode,

I do want to mention that we would love to have you come join us in Patreon this summer. We are

really focusing on rest and resting well, not just sleeping more, but actually looking at what it takes to be able to be

well rested and kind of even hacking our lives so that we are able to rest well and be more

productive in the time that we have. And one of the ways that we are talking about that is really

kind of dissecting our cycles as women and what that really looks like for us in terms of the differences

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