you want to understand yourself. Why do I do the things that I do? Why do I not do the things

that I want to do? What's wrong with me? Like, sometimes that's what I think about myself. Like,

what is this? Why am I, why am I sabotaging myself? But when you can start to see what's

happening, then that's what gives you all the power over it. Yeah.

Yeah. Welcome to Cultivating the Lovely.

I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa.

You can find out more about the podcast at cultivating the

lovely.com, in our Yellow Brick Road membership community at patreon.com slash cultivating

the lovely and in our Facebook group. I would also love to connect with you on Instagram,

where you can find me at McKenzie Kappa. That's M-A-K-E-N-Z-I-E-K-O-P-A.

Ladies, today on the show, I have a super inspirational three on the Enneagram like myself,

who is doing amazing things and has a great new bookout all about facing your fears.

And it's Ruth Sue Cupp.

I have never got to talk with Ruth before, but I had such a

great conversation. In fact, we went a little bit long, but I think it was a really fun show,

and I hope that you guys really enjoy it today. So I'm going to try to keep this intro pretty short,

because we do have so much packed into this episode. But I do want to mention that if you come over

and join us on patreon.com

slash cultivating the lovely, then you can actually get our weekly episodes a little bit early

and ad free, which is pretty great. So if you come over there and join us, you can find out

what all of our different joining levels have to offer, and we would love to have you become

a part of our Patreon community.

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