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Welcome to Science Talk, the podcast of Scientific American, for the seven days starting July 12th. I'm Steve Murski. This week on the podcast, Crime and Punishment. We'll talk to Max

Hauk, the author of an article in the July issue of Scientific American, called CSI Reality.

He'll talk about the effect the CSI shows have had in the real world and about real crime

scene investigation versus what's portrayed on TV.

Also, there's been a big corporate espionage case involving Coke and Pepsi.

We'll hear from John Sisher, the editor and publisher of Beverage Digest, about

that. Plus, we'll test your knowledge about some recent science in the news. First up, Max Hauk. He's a

trace evidence expert and forensic anthropologist. He was with the FBI lab for a decade before

becoming the director of the Forensic Science Initiative at West Virginia University,

and he was on the road visiting family in Sherwood, Michigan when I caught up with him by phone.

Hi, Professor, Howck? How are you?

I'm greatly. How are you?

Pretty good. Thanks for talking to us today.

Firstly, you talk in your article in the current issue of Scientific American about the CSI effect or the alleged CSI effect.

Let's talk about what the CSI effect is and whether or not it's real.

Well, the CSI effect has been defined as an overreaching set of expectations about forensic science based on popular media perceptions

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