I want to also zoom out a little bit just to explain a little bit what I think is going on behind the scenes here, which is an existential battle for the heart of this industry.

We've spent a lot of this conversation about the securities laws and the financial markets issues are important, but they are not

likely to spell the end of this industry. The national security issue is fundamentally different. Welcome to Bankless where we explore the frontier of Internet money and Internet finance.

And today on Bankless, we explore the frontier of our industry's confrontations with the powers that be.

crypto versus the SEC, crypto versus the Department of Justice, sometimes it feels crypto versus the world.

Well there's always a lot of activity on the

crypto legal front this particular moment in time feels particularly active.

Today on the show we have Jake Shravinsky and Amanda Tumenelli two of

crypto's most Chad lawyers. Amanda, Chief Legal Officer to the Defi Education Fund, is taking

the SEC to court on multiple counts. Every single core case of which there are five different

ones discussed in this episode today brings new precedent and new clarity to the

crypto space. The theme of this episode today might be crypto bites back. Rather than

the SEC ruling by enforcement, the crypto industry is claiming clarity by

capturing new ground from hopefully winning

legal battles versus the SEC. Jake Shravinsky as well is always useful to discuss the

between the lines behind the scenes perspective about what's really going on in the

machinations of the legal entities that are giving it crypto trouble.

Bankless Nation listening to this episode will give you a very comprehensive overview

as to the state of crypto's legal battles where we are

where we're going with the 2024 elections means for us and also the state of

crypto versus the final boss the Department of Justice That one's at the very very end.

So let's go ahead and get right into this episode with Jake and Amanda,

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