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Guaranteed Human.

Mission Implausible is now something you can watch.

Just go to YouTube and search Mission Implausible Podcasts or click on the link to our channel in our show notes.

I'm John Seifer.

And I'm Jerry O'Shea.

We have over 60 years of experience as clandestine officers in the CIA,

serving in high-risk areas all around the world.

And part of our job was creating conspiracies to deceive our adversaries.

Now we're going to use that experience to investigate the conspiracy theories everyone's talking about,

as well as some you may not have heard.

Could they be true true or are we being

manipulated? We'll find out now on mission implausible. Today we have a pod favorite. We're joined

again by Zach Everson. Zach is the research director for public citizens Trump accountability

project where he focuses on waste, fraud, abuse, corruption, and conflicts

of interest involving President Trump and his administration.

Before that, he was at Forbes, reporting on money and politics, Trump's businesses,

crypto ventures, campaign money, flowing into Trump properties and financial disclosures.

His latest piece, Conflict Coin, looks at the Trump family's billion dollar stake in World Liberty Financial and his deep dependence on finance. So last time we were talking about the Trump Hotel. Those were the good old days. Yeah. Are they letting you in? Are you still banned? The Trump Hotel is not there anymore in D.C. I haven't tried to go to other properties. I would have to travel to go do it.

But there's a lot of similarities between what he's doing with the crypto and what the hotel was

doing in the first term. How should people think about the conflicts of interest without getting

numb? Because this billion dollar crypto stake is huge, but we're also so trained to hear

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