Hi, I'm Ren Levy. Welcome back to Sabir reasons malicious life.

This episode is part 3, the finale of our series about crypto AG, the world's single largest

hacking operation. If you haven't listened to both Parts 1 and 2, I recommend you do so now.

Thanks and enjoy.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they're illogical, except once in a while they turn out to be true.

Like for example how the CIA was spying on civil right leaders in the 60s or how the

CIA supplied arms to terrorists in South America or how the CIA trafficked drugs or how the CIA, well you

get the idea.

Sometimes conspiracies are real, but because they still sound so outlandish, most of us justifiably don't believe

them. In fact, why would we want to? To be privy of something the rest of the world is completely unaware is happening.

How awful must that be?

You could ask Sigma host Joachim Guzman, known to his friends and colleagues as Mickey.

Mickey was working for the German manufacturing company Simmons when in 1979 the CIA and B&D

recruited him to run research and development for crypto AG. His predecessor

Peter Frud, had just been fired for having helped the Syrian military

fix their voice encryption equipment. By piecing together on his own what his company was really up to

Füdinger had become incredibly dangerous to the CIA and so Guzman was treated

much differently.

His wife recalled a trip to the States where, quote, my husband was away all the time.

All he said was he had business meetings, end quote. Speaking to a Swiss documentary crew,

she talked about how he couldn't even tell her

where he was going during all these secret meetings.

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