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Woman's Hour

Cryptic pregnancy, actor Karen Pittman, writer Nikita Gill, Agnes Wanjiru

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

To so many women the symptoms of pregnancy are instant, intense and unmistakeable; however some make it the full nine months without having any idea they’re even pregnant. This phenomenon is known as cryptic pregnancy, and the British Medical Journal suggests it’s more common than triplets. Nuala McGovern is joined by two women who have experienced this first-hand, plus Professor of Midwifery, Helen Cheyne to discuss.

Actor Karen Pittman earned an Emmy nomination for her performance as The Morning Show’s hardworking producer Mia Jordan, alongside co-stars including Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston. As the newsroom drama returns to Apple TV+ for a fourth season, Karen joins Nuala to discuss the show’s themes, from truth and deepfakes, to women in the workplace. Karen also featured in the Netflix adaptation of Judy Blume’s teen romance Forever and is known to fans of Sex and the City spin off, And Just Like That, as Dr Nya Wallace.

Poet Nikita Gill tells Nuala about her latest book Hekate the Witch. She is the Greek goddess of magics, the crossroads, keys and necromancy. Nikita retells Hekate's story, from being an orphaned child brought up in the Underworld to becoming a powerful goddess seeking revenge for her family.

A Kenyan High Court has issued an arrest warrant for a British national, suspected of killing a 21-year-old Kenyan woman, Agnes Wanjiru, more than a decade ago. Agnes was found dead in 2012 in the grounds of a hotel near an army base, nearly three months after she had allegedly spent an evening socialising with British soldiers. Hannah Al-Othman, a journalist for the Guardian who originally broke the story at the Sunday Times, and the BBC's Akisa Wandera, senior East Africa journalist based in Nairobi speak to Nuala.

Transcript

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Many of them are very funny.

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0:37.8

Well, we have the actor Karen Pittman with us today.

0:40.8

She's back on our screens as Mia, the producer in The Morning Show,

0:44.6

although you might also be watching her in Forever, which is on Netflix.

0:48.9

Well, the morning show has a majority female cast,

0:52.5

and it also depicts a TV network ran by women. Is it a feminist

0:57.4

utopia? This morning I want to know your real life stories of working in an all-female

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workplace. Was it a feminist utopia? I want to know the good, the bad and the ugly. You can text

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the program, the number is 84844 on social media.

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We're at BBC Women's Hour.

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Or you can email us through our website.

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For WhatsApp message or voice note, the number is 0300-300-100-444-4.

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Now, also, can you imagine not knowing you were pregnant until you started giving birth?

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