Cruz Calls Out Tucker: What Really Happened in the Foreign Policy Showdown

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🗓️ 20 June 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Cruz vs. Carlson on Foreign Policy:
- Cruz defends a strong U.S. alliance with Israel and supports aggressive action against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
- Carlson is portrayed as advocating for isolationism, opposing U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts, and questioning support for Israel.
Tensions and “Gotcha” Moments:
- Carlson challenges Cruz with questions like the population of Iran, which Cruz admits he didn’t know offhand.
- Cruz criticizes Carlson for using such moments to create viral clips rather than engage in substantive debate.
Iranian Threats Against Trump:
- Cruz cites intelligence and DOJ reports alleging that Iran has plotted to assassinate Donald Trump and former Trump officials.
- Carlson is skeptical or unaware of these claims, leading to a heated exchange.
Accusations of Anti-Israel Bias:
- Cruz accuses Carlson of obsessively targeting Israel and groups like AIPAC, suggesting a double standard not applied to other U.S. allies.
Moral Clarity and American Exceptionalism:
- Cruz argues against moral relativism, asserting that the U.S. and its leaders are fundamentally different from authoritarian regimes like Russia or Iran.
- He emphasizes “peace through strength” and a foreign policy based on protecting American interests.
Trump’s Position:
- Trump is quoted supporting Cruz’s stance and reaffirming his own “America First” doctrine, particularly in opposing a nuclear-armed Iran.

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast.
0:05.2	Welcome. It is the Ben Ferguson show. It is so nice to have you with us.
0:09.4	All right. So you may have seen the clips that went viral with my co-host, Senator Ted Cruz, and Tucker Carlson.
0:17.9	And Senator Cruz and I decided we were going to break down that entire interview because
0:21.8	if you saw the clips and went to literally hundreds of millions of views, you may not have heard
0:26.2	actually what was said in that two-hour interview and I want to give you those highlights.
0:30.5	Now, before I get to that, I also want to tell you about what is going on with Donald Trump
0:37.4	and Iran and Israel and the latest.
0:41.1	What we now know is that the president is now saying that he could give, in essence, up to two weeks to make a decision if he is going to bomb Iran's main nuclear site, which is deep underground in that mountainside.
0:56.3	There is a couple reasons why this could be happening.
0:59.9	I want you to understand it.
1:00.9	Number one, there are a lot of ships that are needing to go through the Strait of Hormuz,
1:05.9	which Iran could try to, in essence, cut off.
1:09.7	25% of all the oil in the world goes through there every day and 20% of natural gas goes
1:15.4	through there.
1:16.3	So there is some logistical training, you know, issues there that they need to get done.
1:22.1	And giving more time to do that could be huge for from an energy perspective.
1:27.7	That's one issue.
1:29.1	Number two, there's no doubt that Iran will retaliate if America is the one that bombs
1:35.1	and blows up that nuclear site.
1:37.6	So there's targets we want to protect and harden.
1:41.8	We also have assets that are going in the Middle East, or carriers and
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