'Crux' is a novel about rock climbing, but risk exists far beyond the mountain’s edge
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🗓️ 17 February 2026
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, it's Empire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. What is risk? How do you think about risk? |
| 0:08.7 | I figure that most of us don't do a quick risk analysis before getting into our cars and driving to the grocery store. |
| 0:15.3 | When I pop a hard candy into my mouth, I don't start thinking in terms of actuarial tables and the likelihood of choking. |
| 0:21.9 | But when I see the kids on the street skateboarding without a helmet or someone texting and |
| 0:26.4 | driving, I do think, huh, that's risky. But maybe it's all risky. These questions come up in |
| 0:33.8 | today's interview. It's with the author Gabriel Talent about his novel Crux. |
| 0:42.3 | It's about two close friends from different tax brackets who bond over a love of climbing. |
| 0:47.6 | Talent himself is a climber and he talks to NPR's Juana Summers about the risks worth taking and how trying to avoid risk doesn't always keep you safe. That's after the break. |
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| 1:11.4 | Crux is a term that rock climbers know well. It's the most challenging section of a route, |
| 1:16.3 | the place where, quote, everything inside yourself told you to wait, to stall, to cling to safety, |
| 1:22.0 | and yet where if you wanted to live, you had to take the risk. That is how author Gabriel Talent |
| 1:27.2 | describes it in his new |
| 1:28.5 | novel called Crux. It's his first since his debut, My Absolute Darling, made its own ascent on |
| 1:33.7 | bestsellers list back in 2017. Talent is a climber himself and embraces that fear that |
| 1:39.7 | accompanies the exhilaration. I love that climbing can have this inch byby-inch terror, and it just takes you to spectacular |
| 1:48.7 | settings that you would never reach in your ordinary life with just wild people. So you're |
| 1:55.3 | on the journey with someone else, and it's cooperative. You're working together, which is something |
| 1:59.7 | that I have always loved about the sport. It tends to open people up a little bit. Like I have had some of my wildest |
| 2:06.0 | and most confessional moments, like sitting on ledges with friends. Talent's new novel begins with |
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