Let's start the podcast. Right. How are you?

Hello. Good morning. Because it is morning as we speak. I am all right. Thank you. How are you?

Yes. I'm slightly overcaffeinated and underslept.

So I just had one of those really, really weird nights, Jane. We went out for a very lovely

early dinner with some family, my lovely cousin and her husband. And we just had, do you ever have

those evenings where you're just out of nowhere, just have such a good chat about about stuff but it left quite a lot of stuff in my head to kind of think about

so i've found myself having one of those nights where i know i must have slept but i kind of wake up

thinking i haven't how are you you've got an awful lot more on your place at the moment.

No, I'm finding, it's interesting you say that, I'm finding I fall into a very, very deep sleep at about 10, 25, and then I wake up at 3 and I can get back to sleep, but I do get back to sleep.

So I'm getting sleep, but it's of a slightly fragmented nature. But as long as you can bank those first kind of five hours-ish,

yes, I agree with you. And that kind of works, doesn't it? It does. And also that stops the

terrible panic of I, I'm not going to be able to squeeze enough hours in.

So you're right.

I would much, much rather wake up at three and be a little bit disturbed than not be able to get to sleep until three.

Yeah.

We're very close to a railway station here.

And I'm, in fact, we're opposite a railway station.

And I think there is a train, but it can't be a passenger service that goes down the line at

about three in the morning. But maybe I'm imagining it. I don't know. It's not a 24-hour rail

service here. So it must be something. Yeah, that's very interesting. So in London, I used to live very, very close to a railway line,

and the nuclear waste train goes through when the lines are deserted,

because it is carrying waste.

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