Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

We're going to play for you a really fascinating conversation that I had about a week ago at the NRB in Dallas.

It was about critical race theory and social justice and biblical justice, and it was extremely informative.

A lot of people praised it, and I said, we've got to put it on the program.

So it's a panel I did with Vody Baucom,. and Charlie Kirk and the moderator, Owen Strawn. Here it is. I see what the pastors

of tomorrow are being taught. So I'm trying to radically and sometimes provocatively tell the body of

Christ we have to rethink the way that we pass down our values to the next generation.

You don't need a certificate to succeed in America.

You don't need to say that you went to some college to be a good person.

I care about whether you're saved, whether you have character, and whether you want to do something in your life, not if you went to Harvard and if you want to do something like that.

Yeah, what was the question, Owen?

America is a white supremacist order. Our youth are being told. So how do we counter that idea?

Well, it's kind of funny because there's many ways to counter it. The first thing you have to do is you have to loudly and forcefully say, that's a lie. I think that oftentimes we rely too much on reason, and sometimes you just have to

kind of push people back and say, that is a lie, and put the onus on them. You could say,

that's a lie, that's a pernicious lie, that's a satanic lie, that is evil.

Don't say that again.

Explain to me how that is true, and explain to me where you get the right,

even to say such a foul, untrue thing.

There are many reasons for this, but I didn't really understand this fully

until I wrote a book called If You Can Keep,

but the Forgotten Promise of American Liberty.

And in it, I was forced myself to really see what I had kind of been missing over the

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