So, Javier, tell me about the phone call you just got.

John, it was the craziest thing because it's New Year's Day and there's nothing going

on really.

I mean, it was just a quiet day and all of a sudden, I get this call from this guy who's

known as Wild Bill.

I want to be really clear that I don't feel like a serial killer.

And when I think of the word serial killer or of a person who's a serial killer, I think

of a guy like Ted Bundy or a person who just thinks for compulsion or emotional needs, emotional

needs.

And I myself, I'm not a person who has any bloodless, he's terrible things I did, I did,

you know, starting about 15 years ago and I was just a heartless, cold-blooded asshole

who hurt and killed people for money.

You know, I don't have a compulsion to kill people or a desire necessarily to do that.

Listen to the full interview with Wild Bill and John and I talk to the victims' family

and friends to find out how they search for their missing loved ones and how they narrowed

in on Wild Bill.

In 2003, of Criminal Conduct, an American serial killer in Paradise, premieres on February

18th, wherever you get your podcast.