Five past seven, Gawain Tal is here, looking very pleased with himself.

I mean, I guess if you're running the Reform Party, and I know you're not running the

party, you'd be pretty pleased with the way the year has started because Richard Tytton was

in here yesterday and it would appear that, as ever, reform is kind of getting way more publicity

and way more sort of, shall we say, hits on social media and in every other media form, than they should be getting.

Well, they should be getting. That's an interesting judgment.

Yeah. You get what you deserve.

Well, in terms of the size of their organisation is kind of what I mean. And you look at, but there again, you look at, say, Edith Davy, and you look at Nigel Farage.

You look at Keir Starry, look at Nigel Farage, look at Kevindon.

Farage is far more interesting.

He is.

He is.

He also has far more experience than the others.

And people like him a lot more.

They also dislike him a lot more.

Yeah. but he has much more, he has that marmite aspect. I'm not sure he's disliked more than

Keir Starmer. I think Keir Starmer is the most disliked politicians that's ever been.

I think most people have a sort of slight disdain rather than dislike from Starm. I think it's

increasingly disliked in certain section of population that he's come down with that. Certainly, I mean,

our audience hates him. Yeah, well, fair enough. This is a section of that population.

You know, bar none.

I would say that there are significant chunks of the public section that quite like him,

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