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Wall Street Breakfast

Credit event: phase 2 - Michael Gayed

Wall Street Breakfast

Seeking Alpha

Business News, News, Business, Investing

4.11K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2023

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Why Michael Gayed sees Phase 2 of a coming credit event going from treasuries to corporate credit to junk debt to highly levered companies (1:23) and why we're heading back to an era of dividend focus (5:45). Fed credibility and how they've left themselves very little wiggle room (8:20). This is an abridged conversation from Seeking Alpha's recent Investing Experts podcast.

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Show Notes:
JNK: At The Center Of A Credit Event
Michael Gayed On Credit Event Phases And The Fed's Unprecedented Moves

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0:00.0

Michael Guyad runs the lead lag report on Seeking Alpha.

0:04.2

He writes on Twitter a lot, runs his own portfolio,

0:08.0

a lot of nuance and insight to be gained.

0:11.6

Yeah, my conviction around things is never around the mile marker.

0:15.2

It's always around the conditions, right,

0:17.0

that favors something happening.

0:18.7

I would go back to this idea that conditions favor probabilities,

0:22.4

they dictate the probabilities, probabilities, they dictate the

0:23.0

probabilities, probabilities dictate the outcome.

0:25.0

So you have to look at the the overarching dynamic in the background to sort of see

0:29.4

what is more likely or not, right, from a risk perspective. Now in July I was pretty

0:35.0

adamant in the idea that the market may have peaked in July as AI-Mania was at its

0:41.1

apex and I was basing that off of history. So when you look historically

0:46.7

going back to late 1920s and you look at different months where the S&P peaked for the year. 8.3% of the time stocks peak for the year in July.

0:57.3

Now that's not because it's one in 12, it just so happens to be one 12th.

1:00.7

But 8.3% of the time, you know historically, it's a non-zero probability that historically markets

1:05.4

tend to peak in July.

1:06.5

40% of the time they tend to peak in December for the year.

1:09.8

So it is true that there does tend to be that drift higher into the end of the year.

1:13.7

But in July I was saying, you know, you could very well be that we're in one of those 8.3% of the times in the calendar

1:19.7

because of the lagged effects of the fastest rate hike cycle in history.

1:23.7

Now I started the year saying I believe we have a melt-up scenario for equities,

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