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I'm your host of Mini Parasites, Katie Golden.

I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we are continuing

hot shark summer with a special guest who is a shark biologist and expert, and we are going to learn a lot about sharks,

about life. So welcome to the show, the co-founder of minorities in shark sciences and author of the new

autobiographical book, Sharks Don't Sink. Jasmine Graham, welcome.

Hello, thanks for having me.

So I really love how your book combines both science and your life story.

So like you weave together tales of field research, amazing shark science and facts, and your own experience, your life story.

So for this interview, I definitely want to talk about both things.

So first of all, I mean, I think I and probably all of my listeners love sharks.

So there's no need to, you know, try to

justify why one would love sharks. But what did draw you to sharks as a focus of research?

Well, I always was interested in the ocean. I grew up fishing with my dad. and so the ocean was always a big part of my life,

and then I found out in high school you could get paid to study fish, and I was like,

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