What's up everybody? Are you tuning in to the challenge USA on CBS? Well tune in to me Tyson Apostle as I break down each and every episode with my co-host Amelia Wedamire.

I'm also a contestant on the show which gives you all the insider scoop Amelia how stoked are you to do this.

Tyson I'm freaking excited I cannot wait to sit my butt down every single week to watch the show then come here and recap it with you on the Ringer Reality TV Podcast.

I need support to have to clear the room. Stand up and walk now. Hello and welcome to the watch my name is Chris Ryan.

I am an editor at theRinger.com and joining me on the other line he loves me but it doesn't matter. It's Andy Greenwald.

It was fun. It's been fun. Andy what an episode we have for folks tonight. We are coming to you after the airing of Better Call Saul on a Monday and so tonight we have an incredible interview with Peter Gold, the creator of Better Call Saul who was so generous to talk to us about the episode, the series breaking bad.

How he's feeling about it all. We get into extensive detail about this episode so a lot of our recapping that we would normally do is going to be poured into the interview you're going to hear with Peter.

But Andy I thought we could just chat for a few minutes about about this episode because I think it's possibly at least in the running for if not the best episode of the series.

Yeah I was stunned by it. I just absolutely floored by it. I think it probably is. I mean, recency by us sure but I think that I think that it's my favorite episode of the series to date and I think it's important to say and we've got into some of these details with Peter.

I'm confident that this will be a pantheon episode of Better Call Saul because it encapsulates everything that makes this show both exceptional and unique in that what other show has the luxury, the ability to do such

deep thoughtful melancholic.

Co does this is all about the come down this is all about the after effects of violence and trauma and bad life choices right and making a sit in them with the characters who sit in with them so it's not just that the episode.

Move forward the Kim and Jimmy plot to a absolutely.

It's the best in that it is heartbreaking and surprising but inevitable of course this is how things would go so the episode moves those balls forward.

But it has the time and space in generosity to have this beautiful eight or nine minute guzz scene that's really about French wine but you know that's a sensibly about French wine but really about.

It's a match.

Sadness and max and things echoes of the character that we've known for over a decade that has room for Mike and not just father to have this incredible.

Conversation from two sides literally they're separated by fence beautifully shop by Michael Morris but like two sides of an argument about how one should spend one's life when grieving.

God was a stunner you mentioned the summer you seen where Gus is eating alone and I was just like.

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but I was like this is why you do a series like this.

You know there's a I think I have a healthy medicine this isn't when it comes to like spin-offs and breakels and sequels and I just about how cheap those things have gotten intellectually cheap that those things have gotten them when you're watching.

This character that we've now spent close to ten years with if not more.

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