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Midnight Burger

Creator Chats - Joe Fisher and Gabriel Urbina on "The Harbingers"

Midnight Burger

Business Goose Media

Science Fiction, Fiction, Comedy Fiction

4.92.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Please enjoy this chat between Joe and Gabriel Urbina, creator of Wolf 359 and the new show "The Harbingers," then stick around to hear the first episode!


More about The Harbingers:

Adam Blackwell is the most powerful man in the world. But he hasn't always been. Five years ago he was just a humble grad student at Sinclair University. How did he go from a nobody to the world's first modern magician? And once he got that power, what has he done with it?


Be advised: this episode contains depictions of drinking and smoking, as well as strong language and discussions of politics. It also contains mentions, though not depictions, of violence, death, war crimes, the Holocaust, and a large-scale disaster. Listener discretion is advised.


The Harbingers was created by Gabriel Urbina. Today's episode was written by Gabriel Urbina, directed and sound designed by Jeffrey Nils Gardner, and executive produced by Eleanor Hyde. It featured the voices of Andrés Enriquez as Adam Blackwell, Lauren Grace Thompson as Amy Stirling, Emmy Bean as Claudia Skinner, and Kristen DiMercurio as Erica Pfeiffer. It also featured the voice of Olivia Love-Hatlestad. The original music for the series is by Nicholas Podany, and the original art is by Cassie J. Allen. Recording engineering and dialogue editing by Zhuolin Wu. This is an Audacious Machine production.


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0:00.0

I'll tell you one thing. What I do want to do, I want to, like, cold open. Here's something I want to ask you.

0:06.2

Because this, the new show, it is modern fantasy, one would say, right? Yes. Okay. And then,

0:16.6

but now previously you've also written science fiction. Yes.

0:26.4

And now let me ask you, are there sometimes when you want to punch fantasy writers right in their face?

0:27.0

Let me explain what I mean.

0:28.4

Because like with fantasy, it's like things happen just because, like, this is, like, the

0:36.5

reason why this is happening in the story is because of

0:38.9

the magical scroll, you know, whereas in sci-fi, you have to actually, like, find a reason

0:44.3

why things are happening, and it's infuriating that they get to do that. It feels unfair to me,

0:49.0

you know? I mean, I... Maybe that's just me. I always, it's rare that I don't want to punch people in the face.

0:59.0

There's always some, there's always a reason why I want to punch someone in the face.

1:03.8

Sooner or later, the probability of me wanting to punch you in the face.

1:08.6

It just approaches 100%, you know.

1:12.4

You approach is one eventually.

1:13.4

Yes.

1:22.6

But no, but look, I really subscribe to the notion of those stories, whether they are fantasy or science fiction, really tend to work better.

1:26.7

The more that the fantastical or sort of supernatural

1:33.1

or whatever you want to call it elements, the more that they can all be traced back to like

1:37.4

one single source. Right. Whereas the more that it is kind of, you know, it's a world with aliens and psychics and strange weather phenomena and all these things, you're at a certain point.

1:50.0

It's just kind of a like, okay, so just like anything can happen at any point for any reason.

1:54.5

Right.

1:55.2

We have gotten to the point where I want to punch you in the face.

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