From the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and beaming out across all of space and time.

This is Star Talk. We're science and pop culture.

This is Star Talk. I'm your host, Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist.

And today we are talking about sci-fi in literature and in movies.

I got with me my co-host Chuck Knife, Chuck.

We had between us Jason Ellis who is an assistant professor of English at New York City College of Technology.

City Tech we call it. And you teach a course on science fiction.

That's right. They didn't do that when I was in school.

There were no courses on science fiction. We were learning all these folks, they were all dead and talking about a time in a way with no way understood.

Yeah, they were like no, it's about real science. You don't even know real science.

You have to know that before you can do you have to know real science before you write science.

We're getting there Chuck. We're out of show Chuck. We let it happen organically Chuck.

So, so we're talking about this relationship and we're featuring my interview with Gail Ann Heard.

Gail Ann Heard, if you, I'm a credit watcher at the end of shows.

Okay, if you were, you're talking one of those people.

Like, if you're talking because they wrote the wrong movies and the movies.

I'm the last one out and they ask me get the hell out.

Okay, let me tell you something. People who make films love you because that is the ultimate sign of respect.

And you know, as you sit and read the credits at the end of a film.

Right on down to who supplied the food. Right.

The food truck. Exactly. Yeah, craft services by, you know, Reggie.

Reggie and son. Right. And so you teach us a course on science fiction.

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